Googler
02-16 02:37 PM
Suppose the admin fix to recapture 'lost' visas is a success. How many will India Eb2 get out of that ? May be 5000 ?
One really needs to know the number of India Eb2 applicants pending in each year ( of PD ) . If it iturns out , say , there are 25000 I-485 applications with PD up to year 2002, then ?!
Will a USCIS customer service rep be able to help us with this question :
"Sir/Madam how many India EB2 applicants are waiting , with PD earlier than mine ? " .
My friend, in 2003-2004 alone there were 136K EB greencards wasted. When recaptured, in the past they have been given to oversubscribed countries. That is almost an entire years supply of EB greencards.
As far as your last question goes: I'm amazed, given your interest in this subject, that you have not read the 2005-2006-2007 Ombudsmans reports which discusses in some detail how USCIS claims that it cannot provide data on pending applications by EB preference, country of chargeability, and PD. Do take some time to familiarize yourself with these reports (and read the damn footnotes.)
One really needs to know the number of India Eb2 applicants pending in each year ( of PD ) . If it iturns out , say , there are 25000 I-485 applications with PD up to year 2002, then ?!
Will a USCIS customer service rep be able to help us with this question :
"Sir/Madam how many India EB2 applicants are waiting , with PD earlier than mine ? " .
My friend, in 2003-2004 alone there were 136K EB greencards wasted. When recaptured, in the past they have been given to oversubscribed countries. That is almost an entire years supply of EB greencards.
As far as your last question goes: I'm amazed, given your interest in this subject, that you have not read the 2005-2006-2007 Ombudsmans reports which discusses in some detail how USCIS claims that it cannot provide data on pending applications by EB preference, country of chargeability, and PD. Do take some time to familiarize yourself with these reports (and read the damn footnotes.)
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tikka
07-04 09:11 AM
Originally Posted by Macaca ( add ons from forum in red)
I am trying an outline for sending to media + lawmakers + ...
The following is a very rough draft without reading some of the letters posted in the thread. I will read the posts tomorrow and polish it by tomorrow evening. I will need everyone's input since I don't know all the issues.
Introduction
Retrogression in GC process.
What happened
� USCIS announced at the time the forms were due.
� Applicants started filling forms 2-3 weeks before July 2.
� Applicants changed their schedules to submit forms.
Advantages of EAD + AP
Don't know all!
� Travel without visa -> saves Embassy overhead.
� Spouse can work.
� Can switch job.
Why does it hurt
� Medical will not be valid after 1 year.
� Rejected June filers can not file.
� June filers did not file because they thought they will file in July.
� Fees more then doubling
� Name checking (which can take 1+ year) done in parallel with waiting for GC #.
� Load balancing for USCIS.
� USCIS which is supported 90% by application fee needs to care for applicants.
� Very little chance of legislative relief for a looong time.
� Many had to take MMR vaccine and hence postpone their plans to have kids by 3-6 months as recommended by NIH.
� Lawyers who charged upwards of $2000 for filing will not refund the service fee, so candidates have to pay again when dates become current in future.
The biggest loss is the trust, coz, next time people will not believe these mid month bulletins at all as they can come around anytime and revise the dates. So, applicants will always have to live in fear untill they receive the receipt
Age out situations with children
Once a child turns 21 he/she can no longer be filed with the primary applicant. However, once the I485 is filed with USCIS the child is regarded as "safe" regardless of how long the USCIS takes to adjudicate the I485.
I have that very situation. My son turn 21 in mid-January 2008. The original July brought great relief from years of worrying about whether our PD would become "current" in time. We scrambled to get ready to file 2nd July, only to have everything collapse around us again
Hope the info clarifies the "age out" situation!
For "Spouse can work" we might want to word it such that it just does not look like one job less for Americans. Something like spouse can exercise the freedom to get out of the house and contribute to the American economy.
I am trying an outline for sending to media + lawmakers + ...
The following is a very rough draft without reading some of the letters posted in the thread. I will read the posts tomorrow and polish it by tomorrow evening. I will need everyone's input since I don't know all the issues.
Introduction
Retrogression in GC process.
What happened
� USCIS announced at the time the forms were due.
� Applicants started filling forms 2-3 weeks before July 2.
� Applicants changed their schedules to submit forms.
Advantages of EAD + AP
Don't know all!
� Travel without visa -> saves Embassy overhead.
� Spouse can work.
� Can switch job.
Why does it hurt
� Medical will not be valid after 1 year.
� Rejected June filers can not file.
� June filers did not file because they thought they will file in July.
� Fees more then doubling
� Name checking (which can take 1+ year) done in parallel with waiting for GC #.
� Load balancing for USCIS.
� USCIS which is supported 90% by application fee needs to care for applicants.
� Very little chance of legislative relief for a looong time.
� Many had to take MMR vaccine and hence postpone their plans to have kids by 3-6 months as recommended by NIH.
� Lawyers who charged upwards of $2000 for filing will not refund the service fee, so candidates have to pay again when dates become current in future.
The biggest loss is the trust, coz, next time people will not believe these mid month bulletins at all as they can come around anytime and revise the dates. So, applicants will always have to live in fear untill they receive the receipt
Age out situations with children
Once a child turns 21 he/she can no longer be filed with the primary applicant. However, once the I485 is filed with USCIS the child is regarded as "safe" regardless of how long the USCIS takes to adjudicate the I485.
I have that very situation. My son turn 21 in mid-January 2008. The original July brought great relief from years of worrying about whether our PD would become "current" in time. We scrambled to get ready to file 2nd July, only to have everything collapse around us again
Hope the info clarifies the "age out" situation!
For "Spouse can work" we might want to word it such that it just does not look like one job less for Americans. Something like spouse can exercise the freedom to get out of the house and contribute to the American economy.
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thomachan72
03-27 12:52 PM
I am just wondering.....
when will the day come when a lot of us will rush to Delhi.....braving the cold/heat....stand for hours........dancing to tunes of pop singers......while awaiting our beloved PM to show up and take oath of office........just like hundreds of thousands did when obama took office.........
I am just wondering.....
will any one of us spend money to travel to Delhi to witness the next swearing cermony, assuming it where held in an open place, lets say raj ghat or something like that.
I am wondering.....
when will that charismatic leader (with really good intentions and sence of direction) emerge? from, a billion? Why is it taking so long? Is the whole germ pool spoiled? why dont we get the good ones to lead such populated nations? I dont have a clue about where and with whom the problem lies....
when will the day come when a lot of us will rush to Delhi.....braving the cold/heat....stand for hours........dancing to tunes of pop singers......while awaiting our beloved PM to show up and take oath of office........just like hundreds of thousands did when obama took office.........
I am just wondering.....
will any one of us spend money to travel to Delhi to witness the next swearing cermony, assuming it where held in an open place, lets say raj ghat or something like that.
I am wondering.....
when will that charismatic leader (with really good intentions and sence of direction) emerge? from, a billion? Why is it taking so long? Is the whole germ pool spoiled? why dont we get the good ones to lead such populated nations? I dont have a clue about where and with whom the problem lies....
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thakurrajiv
09-24 08:27 AM
Well, here�s some more stat : Base on GC allocation of FY 2008 (http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/FY08-AR-TableV(Part2).pdf ),
EB1 India got 5,327 visas , EB2 India got 14,818 and EB3 India got 3,576 even though the quota was 2,803 for each preference.
As an example, I-485 pending for EB2 and EB3 India before 2006 are 17,835 and 46,334 respectively. Everything else being equal, you can take a guess how long it would take based how old the report was. Even if the report is from yesterday to be pessimistic and there are nuances, it gives some approximation unless the interpretation is totally wrong.
Thanks for posting this. Lets see how visa allocation worked for 2009. Based on 2008, things do not look as rosy. Only 14.8K visas in EB2-I. If perm speed improves then the spill overs will also reduce.
Surprising South Korea is not in oversubscribed countries. It received 7.2K EB2 visas.
I thought South Korea should have been retrogressed. Well when do we expect fairness from USCIS ? They seem to follow class system : ROW, china, other over-subscribed, India in this order !!
EB1 India got 5,327 visas , EB2 India got 14,818 and EB3 India got 3,576 even though the quota was 2,803 for each preference.
As an example, I-485 pending for EB2 and EB3 India before 2006 are 17,835 and 46,334 respectively. Everything else being equal, you can take a guess how long it would take based how old the report was. Even if the report is from yesterday to be pessimistic and there are nuances, it gives some approximation unless the interpretation is totally wrong.
Thanks for posting this. Lets see how visa allocation worked for 2009. Based on 2008, things do not look as rosy. Only 14.8K visas in EB2-I. If perm speed improves then the spill overs will also reduce.
Surprising South Korea is not in oversubscribed countries. It received 7.2K EB2 visas.
I thought South Korea should have been retrogressed. Well when do we expect fairness from USCIS ? They seem to follow class system : ROW, china, other over-subscribed, India in this order !!
hiralal
05-30 11:25 PM
we are listening to new ideas/suggestions by all members, you don't have to be acrimonious in your response.
Please learn to tolerate others. Everybody deserves a fair chance to be heard.
Belmontboy ..Thanks for the same ..as I said earlier any campaign should highlight the positive aspects of legal immigration ..fighting over EB1 misuse is not going to help. I am a prospective home buyer and in the last few months, I met 8 buyer / seller agents ..they are literally sweating for any business ...at the very least let us show the positive contribution that immigrants have for the housing and other related economy (which is massive in terms of $$$$$). I am sure everyone will agree that this is better than fighting over EB1 misuse and fighting amongst ourselves
Please learn to tolerate others. Everybody deserves a fair chance to be heard.
Belmontboy ..Thanks for the same ..as I said earlier any campaign should highlight the positive aspects of legal immigration ..fighting over EB1 misuse is not going to help. I am a prospective home buyer and in the last few months, I met 8 buyer / seller agents ..they are literally sweating for any business ...at the very least let us show the positive contribution that immigrants have for the housing and other related economy (which is massive in terms of $$$$$). I am sure everyone will agree that this is better than fighting over EB1 misuse and fighting amongst ourselves
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snathan
03-29 10:28 PM
(Though I would also like to see this forum used only for immigration matters..)
Thought of adding in few more points..
So what kind of visionary are you looking for.If we make the current govt's performance as a basis then is it someone like this:
One who questions existence of Rama , makes a success of Sethu samudram project pulling down Ram Sethu thus hitting the sentiments of the Hindus in the Hindu dominated land.
One who arrests Sankaracharya (both semior/junior acharyas)based on suspected conspiracy angle on Deepavali eve and holds him in Jail for 60 days , bringing interruption to the Chandramauleswar puja that has been consistently conducted in the Mutt for 2,500 years (it's another thing nothing was proved for almost 5 years now)
One who abuses Sadhvi Pragnya Thakur with evil intent to bring up something called Hindu terrorism,conduct 4 (not 1/2) narco tests apart from other unmentionable things.
One who overlooks the murder of Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati.
one who set's up conversion camps in Tirumala.
All of them state sponsored.
(On a side note:If Hindus' protest against these acts call them communal, it they don't call them spineless.
It's like Hindus in Hindu dominated land are damned if they do ,damned if they don't)
Well of course none of the Hindu's did anything when all these things were going on.It's another thing that they don't get any credit for their communal harmony kind of nature. Some how the de facto image has to be demonic Hindus who are in majority in India discriminate and hate minorities.)
Mumbai terror attacks, Controversial nuke deal, bomb blasts in 5/6 other cities.
All other candidates in the above poll will surely give some what better performance than this if made PM.
For those who don't know and who are backing Manmohan Singh he never contested any elecetion so far and he is also not fighting these elections.He is taking Rjay Sabha route again. Don't know at what gun point Sonia Gandhi is holding him but this guy actually wants to retire after having had so many major surgeries all his , one more recently.
Buzz is also that if UPA wins Manmhona singh will be made PM and after some time will be replaced with Rahul Gandhi.So it's all hog wash.
I am looking for a visionary who can bring Indians out of poverty, who can give good education, security, health care and good infrastructure. Who can save us from the unstable countries and aggressive China. I am not bothering whether Sankaracharya is in jail or not. How its going to affect a common man who is begging even for basic amenities.
Thought of adding in few more points..
So what kind of visionary are you looking for.If we make the current govt's performance as a basis then is it someone like this:
One who questions existence of Rama , makes a success of Sethu samudram project pulling down Ram Sethu thus hitting the sentiments of the Hindus in the Hindu dominated land.
One who arrests Sankaracharya (both semior/junior acharyas)based on suspected conspiracy angle on Deepavali eve and holds him in Jail for 60 days , bringing interruption to the Chandramauleswar puja that has been consistently conducted in the Mutt for 2,500 years (it's another thing nothing was proved for almost 5 years now)
One who abuses Sadhvi Pragnya Thakur with evil intent to bring up something called Hindu terrorism,conduct 4 (not 1/2) narco tests apart from other unmentionable things.
One who overlooks the murder of Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati.
one who set's up conversion camps in Tirumala.
All of them state sponsored.
(On a side note:If Hindus' protest against these acts call them communal, it they don't call them spineless.
It's like Hindus in Hindu dominated land are damned if they do ,damned if they don't)
Well of course none of the Hindu's did anything when all these things were going on.It's another thing that they don't get any credit for their communal harmony kind of nature. Some how the de facto image has to be demonic Hindus who are in majority in India discriminate and hate minorities.)
Mumbai terror attacks, Controversial nuke deal, bomb blasts in 5/6 other cities.
All other candidates in the above poll will surely give some what better performance than this if made PM.
For those who don't know and who are backing Manmohan Singh he never contested any elecetion so far and he is also not fighting these elections.He is taking Rjay Sabha route again. Don't know at what gun point Sonia Gandhi is holding him but this guy actually wants to retire after having had so many major surgeries all his , one more recently.
Buzz is also that if UPA wins Manmhona singh will be made PM and after some time will be replaced with Rahul Gandhi.So it's all hog wash.
I am looking for a visionary who can bring Indians out of poverty, who can give good education, security, health care and good infrastructure. Who can save us from the unstable countries and aggressive China. I am not bothering whether Sankaracharya is in jail or not. How its going to affect a common man who is begging even for basic amenities.
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alisa
06-28 08:44 PM
If USCIS do reject application without notice then we should file a big law suite...AILA will be with us..
Sure!!!
Nothing will come out of it.
Whats the difference between God and USCIS?
Atleast God doesn't think that He is USCIS.
So, relax.
In the worst case scenario, we will be no better off in July than we are in June.
Sure!!!
Nothing will come out of it.
Whats the difference between God and USCIS?
Atleast God doesn't think that He is USCIS.
So, relax.
In the worst case scenario, we will be no better off in July than we are in June.
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breddy2000
09-04 07:47 PM
dealsnet,
Don�t assume that things will work like they work in YSR regime.
If you think that, the discussion does not make any sense to you then keep away. You are assuming that IMV has compromised security. FYI, this is not a YSR forum, nor it his jagir to do a security compromise.
Wow Mr. Chandu.....Procliaming that he is has access to Admin rights and saying that he is not compromising on the security aspect as this is not YSR forum.....
This AH has revealed someones full name publicly where no one knows how to do that...except Admins....
Thats it Guys.......I'm out of this....
If I'm CHANDUV23, I would have retaliated from my posts so far...Looks like "_TrueFacts" is more offended than "CHANDUV23" offcourse we know both are same.....
Hats off Man....
Don�t assume that things will work like they work in YSR regime.
If you think that, the discussion does not make any sense to you then keep away. You are assuming that IMV has compromised security. FYI, this is not a YSR forum, nor it his jagir to do a security compromise.
Wow Mr. Chandu.....Procliaming that he is has access to Admin rights and saying that he is not compromising on the security aspect as this is not YSR forum.....
This AH has revealed someones full name publicly where no one knows how to do that...except Admins....
Thats it Guys.......I'm out of this....
If I'm CHANDUV23, I would have retaliated from my posts so far...Looks like "_TrueFacts" is more offended than "CHANDUV23" offcourse we know both are same.....
Hats off Man....
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ujjwal_p
05-11 05:00 PM
I completely agree with you.
As a Tamil, I too carry the Indian passport with shame and can't wait to see the day when I become a US citizen.
Let me be the first to say, all the best to you to get the US citizenship fast... and more importantly good riddance... And all the best for Americans to get a model citizen like you. By the way, I hope you do know about the oath you need to take to become an American. Hope you do that sincerely and are not narrow-minded then.
As a Tamil, I too carry the Indian passport with shame and can't wait to see the day when I become a US citizen.
Let me be the first to say, all the best to you to get the US citizenship fast... and more importantly good riddance... And all the best for Americans to get a model citizen like you. By the way, I hope you do know about the oath you need to take to become an American. Hope you do that sincerely and are not narrow-minded then.
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Lasantha
12-14 03:53 PM
OK, sorry then. I missed that. ;)
Yes, Lasantha.. you are right. But that was one of mbartosik's points when he/she was comparing cost/benefit.
Yes, Lasantha.. you are right. But that was one of mbartosik's points when he/she was comparing cost/benefit.
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BharatPremi
12-14 01:15 PM
I know. I work for a prestigious law firm and I know how hard it is to become a lawyer.
Now it definately interests me to know the reason behind your interpretation. Please enlighten us about your interpretation
Now it definately interests me to know the reason behind your interpretation. Please enlighten us about your interpretation
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shiankuraaf
09-14 11:40 PM
This a very optimistic prediction....
i think .. most with PD of jan 2005 and earlier will get their GC ..thus in OCT VB the dates will pull back a bit..maybe mid 2004...so first qtr will be bad news for anyone with a PD after jan 2005,...but the 2nd and 3rd qtr.. the dates will be definitely be in mid 2006.
my 1/4 cent
What I expect is, with the pre-adjudication USCIS has the approvable numbers in hand and all the Visa numbers for the 1 st quarter will be released and consumed immediatly by the pre-adjudicated cases and then in Nov bulletin it will be 'U' and again in Dec it would move couple of weeks or most probably a month to consume the querterly spill over if that exists. I do not think there will be any retro for EB2 India in coming 2 quarters unless there are too many new labour approvals giving chance to file AOS with later PDs or EB3 to EB2 porting.
My 1 cent.
i think .. most with PD of jan 2005 and earlier will get their GC ..thus in OCT VB the dates will pull back a bit..maybe mid 2004...so first qtr will be bad news for anyone with a PD after jan 2005,...but the 2nd and 3rd qtr.. the dates will be definitely be in mid 2006.
my 1/4 cent
What I expect is, with the pre-adjudication USCIS has the approvable numbers in hand and all the Visa numbers for the 1 st quarter will be released and consumed immediatly by the pre-adjudicated cases and then in Nov bulletin it will be 'U' and again in Dec it would move couple of weeks or most probably a month to consume the querterly spill over if that exists. I do not think there will be any retro for EB2 India in coming 2 quarters unless there are too many new labour approvals giving chance to file AOS with later PDs or EB3 to EB2 porting.
My 1 cent.
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jonty_11
02-15 04:06 PM
Guys, we have other important things at hand. Lets work on letter campaign and making ppl aware of it. There is no point in these discussions, we need to attack the problem at its core.!!!!!
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GCapplicant
01-22 02:26 PM
Recently , Immi officers are randomly dashing thru H1B sponsor companies ,where any H1B petitions have gone thru or waiting for renewal. NJ -
So guess its getting tougher - They have set of questions - from POEntry date with eaxct details of the petitioner.
How many H1's the company has issued , salary matching with Tax copies.
Guess - if the company has no base or structure , the so called employees name inot there physically or the whereabouts .
This happened today a checking in NJ. All the papers should be in hand
Its getting tougher
So guess its getting tougher - They have set of questions - from POEntry date with eaxct details of the petitioner.
How many H1's the company has issued , salary matching with Tax copies.
Guess - if the company has no base or structure , the so called employees name inot there physically or the whereabouts .
This happened today a checking in NJ. All the papers should be in hand
Its getting tougher
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addsf345
05-29 04:22 PM
We all need to concentrate on being united. No point in pulling down others. This is typical behavior of Indian attitude. Do you think you will get your GC faster if EB1 abuse stops??? I would say no, we would be still stuck in the same shit hole for another 10 years. Why waste energy on this??? We should rather work on more constructive action items.
Our main problem is 7% quota for India, China and other retrogressed countries is simply not enough. We need some relief in any possible way.
Sometime back i did suggest an idea of working towards a separate Quota (not counted towards 140,000) for Masters/PhD students. That horse was beaten to death.
Lets think more positive and list down all actions that we could work.
To start with i suggest on having a separate quota (not counted towards 140,000) for Masters/PhD students. That should ease most of the pain.
If anybody has other bright ideas, feel free
Channel your outrage on a positive action item
still ppl feel pulling others lag would get them GC - this commnity can never be united!:confused:
Our main problem is 7% quota for India, China and other retrogressed countries is simply not enough. We need some relief in any possible way.
Sometime back i did suggest an idea of working towards a separate Quota (not counted towards 140,000) for Masters/PhD students. That horse was beaten to death.
Lets think more positive and list down all actions that we could work.
To start with i suggest on having a separate quota (not counted towards 140,000) for Masters/PhD students. That should ease most of the pain.
If anybody has other bright ideas, feel free
Channel your outrage on a positive action item
still ppl feel pulling others lag would get them GC - this commnity can never be united!:confused:
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Macaca
07-04 11:13 AM
"Immigration scandal goes unnoticed"
or "USCIS drama and tantrum to lessen workload"
or "Is this legal?"
or "Resignations due at USCIS"
or "Foul Play synonym USCIS Play"
Need more titles!
Most persons don't know what USCIS is. I did not know about USCIS/DOS/DOL... until after 1 year in retrogression!
or "USCIS drama and tantrum to lessen workload"
or "Is this legal?"
or "Resignations due at USCIS"
or "Foul Play synonym USCIS Play"
Need more titles!
Most persons don't know what USCIS is. I did not know about USCIS/DOS/DOL... until after 1 year in retrogression!
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nixstor
07-03 08:35 PM
Can IV try for a Bridge Legislation ...................
Tuesday, July 03, 2007
Bridge Legislation Update
HLG is still actively seeking Bridge Legislation. The purpose of the bridge is to provide a short-term fix to the current retrogression problem for Schedule A occupations. As many readers are aware we are one of the founding members of the Coalition to Improve Healthcare Staffing. The CTIHS is pleased to announce that in June it retained two prominent Washington lobbyists and consultants. The lobbyists are working 24/7, along with the AHA, to seek this goal.
If any immigration attorneys and/or healthcare stakeholders wish to participate in this effort and contribute funds to the effort, they should contact Chris Musillo (cmusillo@hammondlawfirm.com).
The biggest hurdle we have right now is general �immigration malaise� in Congress; no one wants to talk immigration at this point. Congress is on a short break for the American Independence Day. Many of the staffing companies and hospitals that make up the CTIHS have meetings set up with their Congressmen and Senators this week.
Lobbyists are working 24/7. Are you kidding me?
My ideal solution for this is to make this a hot button issue in the media and then try for legislation to recapture visa numbers and allow forwarding of visa numbers. That will help us go a long way.
Tuesday, July 03, 2007
Bridge Legislation Update
HLG is still actively seeking Bridge Legislation. The purpose of the bridge is to provide a short-term fix to the current retrogression problem for Schedule A occupations. As many readers are aware we are one of the founding members of the Coalition to Improve Healthcare Staffing. The CTIHS is pleased to announce that in June it retained two prominent Washington lobbyists and consultants. The lobbyists are working 24/7, along with the AHA, to seek this goal.
If any immigration attorneys and/or healthcare stakeholders wish to participate in this effort and contribute funds to the effort, they should contact Chris Musillo (cmusillo@hammondlawfirm.com).
The biggest hurdle we have right now is general �immigration malaise� in Congress; no one wants to talk immigration at this point. Congress is on a short break for the American Independence Day. Many of the staffing companies and hospitals that make up the CTIHS have meetings set up with their Congressmen and Senators this week.
Lobbyists are working 24/7. Are you kidding me?
My ideal solution for this is to make this a hot button issue in the media and then try for legislation to recapture visa numbers and allow forwarding of visa numbers. That will help us go a long way.
gcvision2010
09-03 10:57 AM
May his soul rest in Peace!
grupak
12-13 10:46 AM
Your suggestion seems interesting. Not a lawyer so absolutely no idea if it will fly.
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